Chromium wraca do Debiana

Niedawno pisaliśmy o tym, iż Debian pozbywa się w najnowszym testowym wydaniu przeglądarki Chromium. Decyzja ta uległa zmianie. Stefano Zacchiroli, obecny Lider Projektu Debian, tłumaczy dlaczego.

Pakiet Chromium powrócił do Debiana, co nie oznacza jednak, iż deweloperzy tej jednej z najstarszych dystrybucji Linuksa mają coś nie tak z głową, że zmieniają zdanie tak często. Zacchiroli tłumaczy, iż takie zachowanie jest jak najbardziej poprawne. Squeeze nie został jeszcze wydany, więc nie powinno dziwić nikogo, iż dzieją się takie rzeczy. Dopóki nie pojawiło się oficjalne wydanie, wciąż zachodzi możliwość zmiany oprogramowania, które będzie w nim zawarte.

Stefano stwierdził, iż burza, jaka została wywołana na temat usunięcia Chromium z wydania Squeeze to po prostu przesada, która wywołała niepotrzebną lawinę komentarzy.

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  1. Awatar atomic
    atomic

    Miałem w tej burzy udział, a teraz bardzo się cieszę, że developerzy Debiana zadecydowali zgodnie ze zdrowym rozsądkiem.

  2. Awatar s4ncho
    s4ncho

    chromium czy chromium-browser?

    1. Awatar s4ncho
      s4ncho

      ok nie doczytalem ze przegladarki

      1. Awatar Speaktrap
        Speaktrap

        Tak, usunęcie Chromium BSU wzbudziło by burzę! Co by zrobiło tysiące pilotów kosmicznych statków??

        1. Awatar s4ncho
          s4ncho

          hehe:) dzięki teraz już przynajmniej wiem co jest w tamtej paczce;)

  3. Awatar lubin
    lubin

    chromium to spyware – lepiej używać srware

    http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php

    1. Awatar Arekarek
      Arekarek

      Analizowałeś źródła?

      1. Awatar lubin
        lubin

        nie będę się sprzeczał o encyklopedycznę definicję spyware – jednak tu jest coś mocno nie tak w moim odczuciu?

        znasz angielski? poczytaj porównanie dwóch przeglądarek które załączyłem, podsumowując: generalnie za dużo informacji o mojej aktywności jest przekazywanych do Google

        a to jest dla mnie złe

        jakakolwiek przeglądarka nie powinna wysyłać nic do firmy macierzystej – mało mnie obchodzi z jakich to szczytnych pobudek jest to wysyłane

        1. Awatar Reddie
          Reddie

          @lubin: czemu najpierw używasz określenia „spyware”, a potem mówisz, że nie interesuje cię jego znaczenie?

    2. Awatar rudolk
      rudolk

      lubin link nie działa może napiszesz w kilku słowach po polsku o co chodziło?

      1. Awatar lubin
        lubin

        wyjasniam zbiorczo wszystko tutaj:

        @rudolk
        chrome i chromium wysyłają mnóstwo informacji o aktywności użytkownika do serwerów google – za dużo – to mi śmierdzi

        Co do krytyki:

        spyware

        rozumiem, że jest tu mnóstwo profesjonalistw dla których każde slowo się liczy co do każdego niuansu znaczeniowego – i bardzo dobrze! od tego są profesjonaliści! – natomiast dla mnie jako zielonego uzytkownika „spyware” to program który wysyła mnóstwo informacji do mnie do firmy macierzystej – nie mam ochoty dyskutować kto ma więcej racji – pewnie wy – fachowcy – ale jeśli się moje określenie nie podoba poszukajcie innej nazwy na program szpiegujący i monitorujący aktywność użytkownika

        chrome, chromium, opera

        według opinii znajomego informatyka Chrome i Chromium różnią się tylko jednym kodekiem i brandem – notabene jakiś czas temu wychwycił on to, że Opera wysyła mnóstwo informacji do serwerów firmy Opera – sprawdziłem w necie i nie on jeden to potwierdza

        dziękuję za takie przeglądarki, czy raczej szpiego-warki

        pozdrawiam, szczegolnie mądrzejszych ode mnie 🙂

        1. Awatar Reddie
          Reddie

          @lubin: wobec tego twój pierwszy komentarz powinien brzmieć

          chromium to dla mnie spyware – lepiej używać srware

          Bo np. według twojej definicji, spyware to każdy program który wysyła informacje „na zewnątrz”. Według tej ogólnie przyjętej, program taki robi to bez wiedzy i zgody użytkownika.

        2. Awatar nnnnhjk
          nnnnhjk

          @lubin
          Czy mógłbyś podać jakieś szczegóły dot. wysyłania informacji o aktywności użytkownika na serwery firmy Opera Software? Wyłączając rzecz jasna sprawę Opera Turbo. Używam Opery, więc jestem zainteresowany. Z góry dzięki.

        3. Awatar lubin
          lubin

          Kilka pytań?

          Czy Chromium wysyłając informację raportujące moją aktywność do serwerów firmy Google robi to za moją wiedzą i zgodą?

          Na jakiej licencji jest Chromium? Czy akceptacja tej licencji obejmuje zgodę nqa monitorowanie mojej aktywności przez Google?

          Dlaczego instalując Chromium (nie Chrome tylko Chromium!) nigdzie nie znalazłem informacji o takiej możliwości?

    3. Awatar m$
      m$

      Witamy kolejną osobę, która nie odróżnia Chromium od Google Chrome.

  4. Awatar Red
    Red

    @lubin,
    znaczy się że przeczytałeś na stronach srware że srware jest lepsze, a chromium gorsze?

    Cóż siła argumentów mnie powaliła.

  5. Awatar atomic
    atomic

    Z tego co wiem, Chromium absolutnie nic nie wysyła do nikogo. Gdyby było inaczej z całą pewnoscią developerzy Debiana nie włączyli by tej przeglądarki ani wcześniej ani teraz. Sianie absurdalnych i kłamliwych informacji jest po prostu FUD-em czyli zacytuję za wikipedią: FUD (ang. Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt – strach, niepewność, wątpliwość) – strategia ograniczenia zdolności zajmowania rynku przez konkurenta polegająca na podawaniu w mediach lub bezpośrednio klientom nieprawdziwych lub niejasnych informacji o nim i jego produktach.

    1. Awatar lubin
      lubin

      niestety wysyła, chyba że to wyłączono ostatnio w buildach dla debiana – i była o tym gorąca dyskusja w lecie, i dowody, na pierwszym Osnews (tym anglojęzycznym)

      1. Awatar lubin
        lubin

        http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-discuss/browse_thread/thread/574c792f23ab2ffd/8bbf44e8b1d877a0?pli=1#

        1. Awatar lcf.myopenid.com/
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          A doczytałeś, że:
          1. Sprawa dotyczyła tylko Windows.
          2. Problem został potraktowany jako bug (http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=51693) i już został rozwiązany?

        2. Awatar lubin
          lubin

          Nie – nie sledziłem tej sprawy do końca.

          Jeśli obecnie problemu nie ma to się – mam nadzieję – pomyliłem nazywając obecne Chromium spywarem.

          Jednak faktycznie problem był i nie dziwcie się, że opinia w świat poszła.

  6. Awatar pioruns
    pioruns

    chromium-browser ma 8 open security issues na bug trackerze debiana. A taki iceweasel ma ich 59. Chyba zasłużył sobie, żeby być w testing.

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