Powstało nieoficjalne forum Ubuntu

Miło mi oznajmić, że na prośbę czytelników powstało Forum UbuCentrum.net. Mam nadzieję, że wszyscy zostaną tam wysłuchani z należytym szacunkiem i uzyskają pomoc. Na forum nie będzie póki co żadnych reklam, gdyż żaden z opiekunów nowego forum nie pracuje nad nim dla pieniędzy, chcemy po prostu pomagać.

Kolejną ciekawostką dotyczącą naszego forum jest to, że będziemy się starali przedstawiać jak największą liczbę rozwiązanych problemów z forum na tym blogu w formie artykułów. Myślę, że to wpłynie bardzo pozytywnie na wygodę korzystania z naszych porad przez co łatwiej trafią one do początkujących użytkowników.

Podstawowe kwestie związane z działaniem forum są już załatwione, mamy już stworzone odpowiednie działy i kilku moderatorów. Jeśli będziecie mieli jakiekolwiek obiekcje co do sposobu ich działania, piszcie, będziemy rozpatrywać wszystkie skargi na forum publicznym.

Kolejny krok należy do Was – użytkowników. To właściwie tylko od Was zależy jak rozwinie się forum i czy będzie z niego jakiś pożytek. Zachęcam więc do rejestracji na http://forum.ubucentrum.net/ i aktywnego udziału w życiu strony.

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293 odpowiedzi na „Powstało nieoficjalne forum Ubuntu”
  1. Awatar ris
    ris

    I słusznie, jedna uwaga, żeby nikt nie wpadł na pomysł zrobienia moderatorem kogoś z forum.ubuntu.pl

  2. Awatar nigel
    nigel

    O, to już tylko 9 głosów potrzeba na wykopanie newsa? Niziutko :>

    1. Awatar Magnes
      Magnes

      Byłoby więcej głosów, gdyby nie to "Klikasz za szybko", zawsze przez to głosuję na kilka newsów mniej niż bym chciał (a nie chce mi się zwalniać 😉 ).

      1. Awatar michuk
        michuk

        Liczba głosów potrzebna do wypromowania zmienia się w zależności od liczby niusów ostatnio opublikowanych. W skrócie — im więcej niusów opublikownaych w ostatnich 24 godzinach, tym mniejsze szanse na publikacje kolejnego (i odwrotnie).

  3. Awatar Plichu
    Plichu

    Hmm nie jestem zwolennikiem tworzenia coraz to nowych for internetowych ale to akurat sie przyda takze zycze powodzenia 😉

    1. Awatar Adrianot
      Adrianot

      Dziękujemy. Będziemy się starać, ale i tak najwięcej zależy od dobrej woli użytkowników.

    2. Awatar Franek
      Franek

      Na forum nie będzie póki co żadnych reklam, gdyż żaden z opiekunów nowego forum nie pracuje nad nim dla pieniędzy, chcemy po prostu pomagać.

      piszesz tak jak by na forum.ubu.pl kase brali za moderowanie, żal. pożyjemy zobaczymy, bo jak na razie to "powstało", "powstało", "powstało" i nic więcej (:

      1. Awatar Adrianot
        Adrianot

        Dokładnie. Czemu wszyscy widzą w tym aluzję do administracji forum.ubuntu.pl? Nie wiem czy dostają czy nie, napisałem tylko że nasi admini nie dostają bo nie robią tego dla kasy. Może rzeczywiście, źle zabrzmiało.

        Co do faktu, że powstało to sam nie wiem co z tego wyjdzie. Czytelnicy w komentarzach prosili o forum więc zrobiłem, teraz mogę tylko nad nim czuwać i starać się sprawić by było komuś przydatne.

        1. Awatar spinax
          spinax

          A kogo to interesuje czy będą tam reklamy? Forum ma działać jak dla mnie sprawnie i szybko z reklamami czy bez(bo przecież w takich serwisach reklamy sa po to by opłacić hosting). Jak dla mnie aluzja jest jednoznaczna, a ten kto myśli inaczej niech pierwszy rzuci kamień.

        2. Awatar Ruri
          Ruri

          Dlaczego? Z prostego powodu, Twoje wpisy są subiektywne. Tytuł newsa: Forum powróciło, wnioski nie wyciągnięte. Nie jest to obiektywizm, wnioski zostały wyciągnięte: zmiana serwera, powiadomiliśmy o tym. I tak wygląda prawda. Ale jak widać nie wystarcza. Trudno, my nie chcieliśmy ubarwiać, podaliśmy tylko fakt.

          Zresztą takie komentarze waszego moderatora – "Oho… widzę, że zazdrośni opiekunowie forum.ubuntu.pl zaczynają atakować 😀 łyso wam co? :D" Chociaż nikt z nas nie odpowiedział w temacie powstania forum, sugeruje pewną niechęć.

          Mimo, że sympatii tam nie widzę, życzę powodzenia. jak kilka for bedzie to każdy znajdzie coś dla siebie.

        3. Awatar Adrianot
          Adrianot

          Dzięki za zrozumienie i przepraszam za takie wypowiedzi administratorów, porozmawiam z nimi o tym.

  4. Awatar hills
    hills

    W imieniu wszystkich użytkowników Ubuntu, dziękuję! Na pewno jest to cenna inicjatywa. Nie musi być jedno jedyne, słuszne forum, od przybytku głowa nie boli. W świecie GNU/Linuksa różnorodność jest siłą. Stąd kolejne forum wcale mnie nie martwi, bo rozwiązania, i tak wyszukuje się przez Google.

    Chciałbym też, żeby nikt nie odbierał (i żeby tak oczywiście nie było), że to nowe forum jest PRZECIW komuś, tj. forum.ubuntu.pl. Na pewno tamtejsi operatorzy działają w dobrej wierze, choć może czasami jak Linus Torvalds przy przyjmowaniu patchów do Linuksa.

    Z osobistych doświadczeń mogę powiedzieć, że kiedyś zadałem moje pierwsze pytanie na ubuntu.forum.pl, ale jako że ledwo zapoznałem się z Ubuntu i był to dla mnie zupełnie obcy świat, w którym poruszałem się w dużej mierze po omacku, pomyliłem sposób numerowania wersji. Więc w temacie wyszło mi nierealnego, np.: Ubuntu 7.06. Mój temat bez wyjaśnień trafił do śmietnika. Jak na pierwszy kontakt ze społecznością, to daję temu forum szkolne 2. Po prostu żadnej cierpliwości i życzliwości, tylko od razu: do kąta! Z kodeksem postępowania i ideałami filozofii Ubuntu tym bardziej nie miało to związku.

    Nie jestem przeciwnikiem dbałości o porządek. Są jednak przynajmniej dwa "ale". Po pierwsze, większość tych informacji będzie nieaktualna za rok, dwa, najwyżej trzy. Bo niewiele są dzisiaj warte wątki typu: „Jak zainstalować Javę?” albo „Jak zainstalować 64-bitowego Flasha?” Często użytkownicy piszą kilkadziesiąt postów na temat tego, jak zainstalować sterownik jakiegoś urządzenia, ale po pół roku, z nowym wydaniem Ubuntu, wszystko działa prosto z pudełka, a więc trud społeczności nie idzie na marne, niemniej szybko te informacje przestają być istotne. Cykl życia typowego posta na forum oceniam na 6-18 miesięcy (czyli maks. 3 wydania Ubuntu).

    Po drugie i chyba ważniejsze: żeby pisać w sposób uporządkowany, to trzeba znać temat. Postawienie takiej bariery przed początkującym użytkownikiem nie jest dobre, bo on z natury tematu nie zna. Gdyby znał, to by nie pisał. Trzeba szukać kompromisu: pomagajmy nie tylko rozwiązać problem, ale przede wszystkim ZDEFINIOWAĆ problem. Tego drugiego właśnie początkujący użytkownicy nie potrafią. Nie można ich za to dyskwalifikować, bo to naturalne.

    Jeżeli podejście na forum.ubuntu.pl jest takie, jakie jest, to tym bardziej popieram forum.ubucentrum.net. Może właśnie takie sprofilowanie forów: średnio i bardziej zaawansowani (forum.ubuntu.pl) vs. początkujący (forum.ubucentrum.net) przyniesie korzyści.

    Na koniec życzę wiele sukcesów jednym i drugim. Moim jedynym życzeniem i prośbą jest, aby oba fora zawierały do siebie odnośnik. Czy to realne? 🙂

    1. Awatar vf
      vf

      W imieniu wszystkich użytkowników Ubuntu, dziękuję!

      W moim proszę nie dziękować, nie przypominam sobie abym dawał Ci upoważnienie mówienia za mnie. Zapewniam, że sam sobie poradzę.

      1. Awatar hills
        hills

        Przestań sączyć jad i zejdź z drzewa.

        1. Awatar vf
          vf

          Masz jeszcze jakieś rzeczowe i związane z tematem uwagi? 🙂

        2. Awatar vf
          vf

          Aha i przestań mi rozkazywać. Nie będziesz mi mówił co mam robić a co nie.

        3. Awatar hills
          hills

          Przepraszam. Nie chciałem Cię urazić.

          Napisałem "w imieniu wszystkich dziękuję za nowe forum" — mój błąd, przyznaję. Nie wszyscy się cieszą, a niektórzy nawet "niedziękują" 🙂

          W każdym razie pisałem swoje podziękowania w dobrej wierze, której raczej trudno nie dostrzec. Masz prawo się nie zgadzać, niemniej proszę Cię, żebyś dostrzegał też cudze, dobre intencje i wyrażał swoje odmienne zdanie bez zbędnej, błyskotliwie wyrażonej, dawki złośliwości. Inaczej robi się z tego nic nie wnosząca pyskówka.

        4. Awatar vf
          vf

          Przepraszam. Nie chciałem Cię urazić.

          Czyli można. Przeprosiny przyjęte. EOT.

          zdanie bez zbędnej, błyskotliwie wyrażonej, dawki złośliwości

          Nie przesadzajmy. W komentarzu wyżej poprosiłem Cię abyś się nie wypowiadał w moim imieniu i tyle, gdzie tu złość, jad? OK, nie ważne. Forum powstało, wszystko jest po Twojej myśli. EOT.

      2. Awatar mmat2
        mmat2

        Ja również nie dziękuję i nikogo nie prosiłem o to, by dziękował za mnie. Osobiście jestem przeciwny tworzeniu kolejnych for. Trzeba znaleźć sposób na uporządkowanie jednego, a nie powielać się. Lepsze niż kolejne forum byłoby polskie wiki systemu z wyszczególnionym działem "częste problemy" (powiedzmy sobie szczerze – ile jest przypadków jednostkowych?).

        1. Awatar Ruri
          Ruri

          mnie też proszę wypisać ;> Nie należy wypowiadać się w imieniu jakiejś grupy, myśle że dobrze będzie jak wszyscy powiedzą _własne_ zdanie. a nie w imieniu: "ubuntu" "ulicy sezamkowej" "userów dwóch kółek" "pijących mineralną" no i "pływających w przeręblach ;>"

        2. Awatar calder
          calder

          Ale sie czepiacie czlowieka, przeciez napisal, ze jest poczatkujacy! Najedli sie troche wiedzy i juz zadzieraja tylek wyzej nosa…

    2. Awatar White Eagle
      White Eagle

      Znam osobiście wielu użytkowników Ubuntu i wszyscy są przeciwni powstaniu nowego forum. Przypomina mi to sytuację: "Źli ludzie z ubuntu.pl nie poparli powstania mojego bloga, gdzie przepisuję howto z sieci i ich forum, to zrobię własne i ja teraz będę adminem", Albo inny powód niechęci: "Dlaczego oni mają zgodę na wykorzystywanie nazwy ubuntu od Canonical, a my nie" Więc proszę nie generalizować.

      @Adrianot:
      Ogólnie byłem raz na Twoim blogu i niestety muszę powiedzieć że jestem bardzo zawiedziony. Nie tyle co do poziomu merytorycznego wpisów (choć są to podstawy podstaw) ale z jadu przeciwko ubuntu.pl jaki można zauważyć m,in w poście o shakowaniu forum (co z resztą nie było do końca prawdą). Podobnie Twój na osnews jako, że stało się to przez moderację i nicki wpisane na podmienionej stronie to nicki użytkowników forum, świadczą o nieznajomości tematu i tylko chęci dokopania ubuntu.pl . Podobna sytuacja z komentarzami na blogu.
      A z tego co można wyczytać w niektórych komentarzach,zachowujesz się identycznie nie przepuszczając komentarzy krytykujących Twojego bloga.

      Inna sprawa to użytkownicy forum. Bez sprowadzenia pewnej ilości zaawansowanych użytkowników nic nie zdziałacie. Będzie tylko słodzenie jakie to forum jest piękne

      Zamiast mnożyć kolejne byty, lepiej zacząć współtworzyć oficjalną dokumentację. I nie dziwię się, ze nie poparto powstania bloga, skoro istniała już czytelnia.ubuntu.pl

      BTW:
      Nie jestem w żaden sposób związany z Ubuntu.pl, Zawsze uzyskałem pomoc (inna sprawa, ze moje tematy nie wyglądały tak; "Mam problem. Nie działa java. Pomoshcie?" – pisownia zamierzona). Ale w tym momencie przestałem odwiedzać to forum. I to nie z powodu moderacji i administracji, ale właśnie setek dublujących się postów (byłoby ich jeszcze więcej gdyby nie moderacja). Dla mnie było to frustrujące, że gdy odpowiadasz komuś na pytanie, starasz się, testujesz rozwiązanie u siebie, a tu za 2 dni nowy temat o tym samym.

      Jeszcze jedno. Z góry przepraszam, jeśli kogoś uraziłem. Mamy dziś zły dzień

      1. Awatar ^_^
        ^_^

        "Znam osobiście wielu użytkowników Ubuntu i wszyscy są przeciwni powstaniu nowego forum." – w moim imieniu też proszę się nie wypowiadać. Jak dla mnie to może być i milion takich miejsc w necie. Dla mnie jest to dobra inicjatywa jeżeli chodzi o początkujących. "kapiszi?"

        1. Awatar White Eagle
          White Eagle

          Od kiedy się znamy osobiście? Proszę czytać ze zrozumieniem

      2. Awatar hills
        hills

        @White Eagle: Jedyne argumenty, jakie masz, to są osobiste animozje i domniemane ambicyjki bliżej nieznanych mi osób. Nie opowiadam się po żadnej stron. Z całym szacunkiem, ale mam taką dziecinadę gdzieś! Nie zachowujmy się jak prezydent i premier, OK?

        Wracając do racjonalnych i poważnych argumentów: nie widzę powodu, dla którego forum.ubuntu.pl ma być TYM forum (tzn. jedynym, słusznym, kanonicznym). Tak samo nie widzę powodów, żeby ubuntu.pl było centrum informacji o Ubuntu w języku polskim. Jeżeli ktoś ma inną wizję takiego miejsca, ma motywację, by wcielić ją w życie, dostarczając przy tym użytecznych informacji innym, to nie można mu tego zabraniać. Chcesz mieć własne forum? Proszę bardzo, zakładaj choćby dziś!

        Poza tym dużo rozwiązań problemów znajduje się nie tylko na forach, ale np. na osobistych blogach. Bardzo wiele programów powstaje w sposób niezależny i jest publikowanych na niezależnych witrynach, ma niezależne repozytoria itp.

        Życie i upływ czasu zweryfikuje forum pod egidą ubucentrum.net. Cieszę się, że powstało, dziękuję za nie i życzę mu powodzenia. A sceptykom radzę po prostu tam nie zaglądać. Nie ważcie się skorzystać z żadnej zamieszczonej tam informacji, choćby nie wiem jak była wam potrzebna i użyteczna 😛

        1. Awatar White Eagle
          White Eagle

          Nie mam nic do autora. Nie zaglądam na bloga, ani nie czytam tego forum. Mam właśnie zastrzeżenia do sposobu przedstawiania przez autora forum ubuntu.pl, braku szacunku do administracji i moderacji . Nie widzę tam merytorycznej dyskusji o forum. Czytając tu na OSNews jego newsa miałem wrażenie, że się cieszy z "krzywdy" innych. W tym przekonaniu umocnił mnie jego artykuł na ubucentrum na ten sam temat, gdzie jeszcze ukazał się jako osoba która może to naprawić
          każdy ma prawo zakładać forum, bloga, ale nie powinno to rozpoczynać się przez atak na inne forum/blog (a tak to w tym przypadku wyglądało). Pisał już o tym powyżej Ruri. Może to nie wina samego Adriana, ale innych uzytkowników/moderatorów , ale z tego co widziałem takie postępowanie jest akceptowane. Podobnie wpis w tym newsie o reklamach. Co on miał na celu?

          Jestem zwolennikiem konkurencji, ale w sensie kto udzieli pomoc. Jest to tylko rozdrabnianie społeczności, zamiast jej konsolidacji.
          Dlatego pisząc o tworzeniu dokumentacji nie miałem na myśli forum.ubuntu.pl . Tylko oficjalne wiki ubuntu, zaangażowanie się w działalność Ubuntu LoCoTeam Polska (wydaje mi się, że często zapomina się że coś takiego w ogóle istnieje)

          Jestem przeciwnikiem zakładania nowych fór, czy tworzeniu forków aplikacji, niezależnie kto to zrobi. Podobnie pisałem przy okazji newsów o założeniu nowego forum.gentoo i jeśli dobrze pamiętam forum Slacka, gdy obecne miało kłopoty z serwerem.

          Uwierz, o repozytoriach i programach nie musisz mi mówić. Że tak powiem mam doświadczenie w sprawach dotyczących tego aspektu otwartego oprogramowania 😉

          Oczywiście życzę powodzenia, ale obawiam się, że prędzej czy później i tak będzie musiała zostać wprowadzona na tym forum ostrzejsza moderacja i usuwanie postów. Choćby z powodu aby utrzymać bardziej zaawansowanych użytkowników na forum. I znów zaczną się narzekania na złych moderatorów 😉

        2. Awatar hills
          hills

          A ja wolę konkurencję, która sprzyja zabieganiu o użytkowników, jakości, innowacyjności. Za rok zobaczymy i ocenimy, co z tego wyszło.

  5. Awatar Adrianot
    Adrianot

    My możemy umieścić odnośnik, jednak wątpię by zrobiło to forum.ubuntu.pl które teraz jest bez porównania bardziej rozwinięte i dla nich to właściwie żadna reklama ;).

    1. Awatar Ruri
      Ruri

      Dlaczego zakładasz już teraz że nie umieścimy? Spytałeś? Nie. no ale zakładasz. Adrian przestań wreszcie zakładać, spytaj! Dowiedz się co i jak, porozmawiaj, wypytaj, zrób coś dla Ubuntu nie dla ubucenrum. (wpis prywatny)

      1. Awatar Adrianot
        Adrianot

        Zakładam, że nie umieścicie bo to tak jakby onet.pl zalinkował do nowego konkurencyjnego portalu, który właśnie powstał. No ale oczywiście jeśli chcecie.. 🙂

        1. Awatar aga_ta_aga_z_forum
          aga_ta_aga_z_forum

          Ruri nie napisał, że chcemy. Czytaj ze zrozumieniem.
          Dodam od siebie tylko jedno. Wykorzystaj swoje pięć minut, bo taka szansa może więcej się nie powtórzyć. Robisz koło siebie wielki szum, lubisz być w centrum zainteresowania. Twoim celem jest oczernić, zniszczyć konkurencje. Ktoś już Ci napisał o tym, że jak chciałeś reklamować swojego bloga to umiałeś wykorzystać forum do własnych celów. Teraz najlepiej go skopać. Mimo wszystko życzę Ci powodzenia w dążeniu do celu, jednakże bądź tak dobry i nie udzielajcie porad na zasadzie " kopiuj/ wklej" z naszego forum. Przynajmniej podawajcie źródło (swoją drogą, podejrzewam, że 95% porad będzie z linkiem do www.forum.ubuntu.pl)

  6. Awatar szatox
    szatox

    Tytuł powinien raczej brzmieć:
    powstało KOLEJNE nieoficjalne forum ubuntu. Teraz sugeruje, że pierwsze jest oficjalnym, a w takim stwierdzeniu niewiele prawdy. Tak samo jak stwierdzenie, ze powstalo forum ubuntu sugeruje, ze wczesniej forum tej dystrybucji nie istnialo w ogole.

  7. Awatar vf
    vf

    "Fantastycznie", że powstało kolejne forum do tego samego. Mam nadzieje, że z czasem dojdziemy do tego, ze każdy użytkownik Ubuntu będzie miał swoje forum. 🙂

    1. Awatar hills
      hills

      Zgodzisz się na pewno, że każdy użytkownik Ubuntu może dostosować je do własnych potrzeb i mieć w pewnym sensie swoje prywatne, unikatowe distro. W przy takich możliwościach dwa fora zamiast jednego nie powinny nikogo martwić.

      1. Awatar vf
        vf

        Ależ ja się nie martwię (zresztą to wiesz, jako że mnie reprezentujesz co widać wyżej 🙂 ). Krótko mówiąc życzę aby na jednego użytkownika Ubuntu przypadało nawet dwa a nie jedno forum. 🙂

        1. Awatar hills
          hills

          http://serwer22962.lh.pl/powstalo-nieoficjalne-forum-ubun…

  8. Awatar Compi
    Compi

    będziemy się starali przedstawiać jak największą liczbę rozwiązanych problemów z forum na tym blogu

    OSnews jest blogiem?

    1. Awatar hills
      hills

      No raczej chodziło o UbuCentrum.net.

  9. Awatar bns
    bns

    Nie wiem jaki jest cel stawiania kolejnego forum, pewnie czyjś kaprys ;>
    Argument o przedstawianiu rozwiązania problemów na blogu poruszanych na forum nie przemawia do mnie.
    Przecież można to robić bez tego 😉

    1. Awatar Plichu
      Plichu

      Nie widzisz argumentu? To ci podpowiem: niechęć do forum.ubuntu.pl z uwagi na administrację forum

  10. Awatar lukas
    lukas

    A ja też chcę mieć takie forum, być adminem czy moderem. Chcę, żeby ludzie czuli przed moimi kilkoma literami respekt. Mogę założyć forum.ubuntulinux.net???

    1. Awatar Franek
      Franek

      forumubuntu.pl fajna domena i wolna rotfl 😀

    2. Awatar Adrianot
      Adrianot

      Jeśli chcesz to zakładaj 🙂 Tylko nie polecam mieć w nazwie czy URLu "Ubuntu" bo Canonical się może doczepić.

      1. Awatar Franek
        Franek

        tyle, że ja jaja sobie robię 😉

  11. Awatar tot
    tot

    Kim jest Pani Elżbieta Nowak właścicielka domeny UbuCentrum.net?

    1. Awatar Franek
      Franek

      mamą? 😀

      1. Awatar bns
        bns

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      Tylko że przecież tematy nie znikają tyko wpadają do śmietnika, wiec nie jest to wcale pozbycie się problemu lecz jego pogłębienie ponieważ serwery są i obciążane zaś kompletnie bez zasadnie.

      ha ha tematy nie są usuwane od razu, tylko przenoszone do 'śmietnika' po to abyś drogi kolego wiedział dlaczego Twój post został usunięty, bo informacja o tym została dopisana to Twojego tematu. Ale śpiesz się bo po 7 dniach posty ze 'śmietnika' znikają o_O – z czego wynika że Twoje gadanie o obciążeniu serwera jest bez zasadne.

      Cóż tylko jakoś nikt tam nie słucha argumentu że algorytm wyszukiwania który jest tam używany jest z epoki kamienia łupanego.

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      Co do braku moderacji przykładem jest usuwanie tematu założonego w złym dziale, każdy ma prawo się pomylić, pośpiech, zdenerwowanie

      Oszczerstwo! bywam na forum praktycznie codziennie i NIGDY post który był założony w nie odpowiednim dziale NIE był kasowany, lecz przenoszony. Często tematy zakładane są w FAQs & HOWTOs i uwierz że nie są kasowane, a przenoszone do odpowiedniego działu!

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      Dobra maksyma, moja na dziś brzmi: jeśli nie wiesz nic na dany temat, to nie wypowiadaj się. Gadasz bzdury jak mało który.
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