Efekt rollover opatentowany

Jeden z trolli patentowych, firma Webvention Company, zaczęła rozsyłać informacje do administratorów stron wykorzystujących efekt rollover, iż łamią prawo.

Patent na wykorzystanie efektu rollover ma numer 5 251 294, a jego tytuł to „Accessing, assembling, and using bodies of information”. Za wykorzystanie opatentowanej technologii troll żąda aż 80 000 dolarów. Jest to szokujące, jednak jeszcze bardziej szokująca jest naprawdę długa lista firm, które uiściły opłatę na rzecz właściciela patentu. Jest ich aż 136! Wśród nich znajdują się takie giganty jak Apple, Burger King, Google, Hewlett Packard, MasterCard, Panasonic czy Samsung Electronics.

Aż się nóz w kieszeni otwiera, gdy człowiek uświadomi sobie, jak wiele opłat na rzecz tego typu trolli wliczanych jest potem w cenę produktu sprzedawanego przez daną firmę.

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  1. Awatar melhiore
    melhiore

    A teraz kochane dzieci kupmy sobie nastepnego iPhone… 🙂 W koncu Apple musi sie odkuc…

    1. Awatar Neonique
      Neonique

      Nie tylko Apple: Google Inc., Hewlett Packard Corporation, Nokia Corporation, Nokia – Siemens, Panasonic Corporation, Samsung Electronics Co., Siemens Corporation, Sony Corporation, Sony – Ericsson.

  2. Awatar morsik
    morsik

    Aż musiałem wejść w link, bo myślałem, że tu napisaliście o czymś innym O.o

  3. Awatar NIC
    NIC

    I tam. Kogo obchodzą patenty w USA. Szczerze powiedziawszy Jeszcze nie natrafiłem na jakąś stronkę z USA… A szukając potrzebnych informacji widziało się czeskie, niemieckie, hiszpańskie, japońskie… Patenty USA tu nie obowiązuję.

    Patenty w USA to żaden problem. Widać to na przykładzie MP3, które w USA są opatentowane i nie można z nich korzystać bez płatnej licencji… Ktoś w Polsce nie ma jednej mp3 na dysku? Doceńmy nasze prawo… Nie mamy wyboru 🙂 Musimy docenić jego wyższość nad prawem USA.

    1. Awatar Reddie
      Reddie

      Widać to na przykładzie MP3, które w USA są opatentowane i nie można z nich korzystać bez płatnej licencji…

      Można, chyba że się na tym zarabia.

      1. Awatar herr
        herr

        nie można opatentować abstrakcji matematycznej (format pliku).

        1. Awatar Ajnsztajn
          Ajnsztajn

          W Polsce na szczęście nie. W Stanach – jak widać wszystko się da ;).

        2. Awatar przemo_li
          przemo_li

          algorytmy można.

          Algorytmy matematyczne już nie.

          Więc się przerabia matmę w infę lub ekonomię i patentuje.

    2. Awatar marcinsud
      marcinsud

      Patenty z USA obowiązują u nas, ale tylko na wynalazki.

      1. Awatar Kwant
        Kwant

        Niby masz rację, ale widziałeś u nas jakiś sprzęt tańszy od tego w USA z powodu braku patentów na oprogramowanie czy metody biznesowe?

        Producenci płacą radośnie takim trolom patentowym a koszt przerzucają na końcowego użytkownika.

        Mam wrażenie, że przy produkcji oprogramowania coraz większą rolę odgrywają prawnicy niż deweloperzy. Tak więc coraz więcej pieniędzy idzie na zapewnienie zgodności oprogramowania z mocno kulawym (według mnie) systemem patentowym niż na nowe funkcje, poprawianie błędów, etc…

        To mi się bardzo nie podoba!

        1. Awatar me
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          Zapewne kształt prawa uwzględnia różne partykularne interesy, w tym oczywiście interes prawników.

        2. Awatar marcinsud
          marcinsud

          Cena urządzenia to prawie nigdy nie jest suma kosztów poniesionych an jego wyprodukowanie. Niby coś takiego powinien regulować rynek i cena powinna dążyć, dzięki konkurencji, do takiego poziomu, ale jak widać rynek jest wadliwy.

  4. Awatar marmarek
    marmarek

    Przerażająca lista – o ile jest prawdziwa.

    1. Awatar mlodir
      mlodir

      Faktycznie 136 silnia to strasznie duża liczba.

  5. Awatar rafał
    rafał

    @NIC 95% użytkowników w PL ma mp3 i ma windowsa zarazem. A w cenie windowsa masz opłacony kodek dla mp3. Proste…

  6. Awatar agent_J
    agent_J

    Przydałby się jakiś szaleniec bohater, który rozstrzelałby tych pajaców z urzędów patentowych oraz pseudofiremek typu Webvention Company.

  7. Awatar W
    W

    Jak dla mnie to pachnie kreatywną księgowością.
    Możliwe, że w/w firma wymyśliła coś naprawdę ciekawego – jeszcze nikt nie chce o tym trąbić a zapłacić jakoś trzeba. A może nie, ale nie uwierzę, że np. google płaci za rollover.

    1. Awatar cutugno
      cutugno

      W: „nie uwierzę, że np. google płaci za rollover.”

      A właściwie dlaczego nie? Czy patent jest ważny to orzeknie sąd, ale nie odrzucałbym tego z góry. Data zgłoszenia patentu to 1990, na ile takie zabawy były wtedy oczywiste a na ile rewolucyjne to trudno mi powiedzieć. Pewnie ktoś w Google doszedł do wniosku, że patent ma szanse się obronić więc nie warto walczyć o jakieś głupie $80K.

      1. Awatar me
        me

        to prawo jest chore, choćby ze względu na czas ochrony

    2. Awatar CoYoT
      CoYoT

      Też mi się to wydaje podejrzane, choćby z jednego powodu: czy to przypadkiem nie powinni płacić twórcy przeglądarek, które rollover zaimplementowały? W końcu jak ktoś ma patent na choćby filtr audio/amortyzator samochodowy i kupuje to firma razem z oprogramowaniem/samochodem, to nawet jeśli stosuje w celach zarobkowych to chyba nie ona odpowiada za to, że został złamany patent?!

      1. Awatar mariusz
        mariusz

        Przegladarka udostepnia onmouseover(), to webaplikacje uzywaja tego do lamania patentow w postacji rollover. 😉

  8. Awatar herr
    herr

    136*8*10^4=1088*10^4=1.088*10^7[$]
    ola boga. oni zarobili na tym pieprzone miliony. Dlaczego ja na to nie wpadłem? 🙁

  9. Awatar Gahar
    Gahar

    A zwrócił ktoś uwagę, że takie firmy jak MS czy IBM nie widnieją na tej liście… Ciekawe czy odważą się je pozywać, bo nie uwierzę że na swoich stronach nigdy nie stosowały tej techniki 😉

  10. Awatar Poldek
    Poldek

    > Pewnie ktoś w Google doszedł do wniosku, że patent ma szanse się obronić więc nie warto walczyć o jakieś głupie $80K.

    Zupełnie jak z haraczami – lepiej się opłacić i mieć spokój, bo jest szansa spłonąć.

    1. Awatar cutugno
      cutugno

      „lepiej się opłacić i mieć spokój, bo jest szansa spłonąć.”

      Ale weź powiedz to Google, o ile rzeczywiście zapłacili. O ile ta firma nie kłamie, to jakiś powód Google miało żeby uznać ten patent.

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  12. Awatar Itachi
    Itachi

    Czyli co? Nie mogę już w ogóle podmieniać obrazka przez :hover?

  13. Awatar Moro
    Moro

    Patenty to nie tylko zmora usa. O ile na naszym podwórku nie ma patentów na soft to na urządzenia są. Proponuję zobaczyć ten materiał video z targów:
    http://nauka.trojmiasto.pl/Cuda-techniki-pod-jednym-dachem-n42523.html
    Jakaś uczelnia „wynalazła” inteligentną rękawice (czytaj kilka akcelerometrów podłączonych do komputera), którą można sterować komputerem. Oczywiście chcą to opatentować. Nie byłoby w tym nic dziwne ale widziałem takie zabawki jakieś 15 lat temu na cebicie. Rozumiem, że prawo patentowe ma słuzyć do ochrony wynalazków i jestem jego zwolennikiem, ale nie w takiej jak postaci jak jest obecnie. Za wynalazek rozumiem naprawdę innowacyjną rzecz a nie rzeczy które już od dawna istnieją. Moim zdaniem w skali kraju nie powinno być przyznawanych więcej niż kilka patentów rocznie. Patent powinien obowiązywać maksymalnie 2 lata.

    1. Awatar mariusz
      mariusz

      Jezeli cos istnialo (i mozesz to udowodnic) przed zlozeniem wniosku o patent to i tak AFAIK w sadzie bys wygral ewentualna sprawe o naruszenie patentu.

    2. Awatar marcinsud
      marcinsud

      Jeśli pokazali rękawice lub jeśli coś takiego już było to z automatu nawet patentu nie dostaną. W cywilizowanych krajach eksperci są w komisjach patentowych, a nie przypadkowi urzędnicy.

      1. Awatar aaa
        aaa

        Ha, to już nie te czasy, że w urzędzie patentowym siedział Einstein. 🙂

  14. Awatar Speaktrap
    Speaktrap

    mam nadzieję, że nikt nie opatentuje trollover bo będę skończony

  15. Awatar Apartamenty Poznań
    Apartamenty Poznań

    Wielcy giganci i korporacje są w stanie przeznaczyć taką kwotę, ale co zrobią mniejsze firmy albo osoby prywatne? Muszę mieć nadzieję, że ich nie dopadną 😉

  16. Awatar S.Wojnowski
    S.Wojnowski

    Ostatnio jakiś Pan z US opatentował góralskie wzorki, które górale prezentują od kilku setek lat … Raczej nie przypuszczam aby któryś z nich bardzo się przejął tym patentem na patent.

    A mówiąc serio. Ciekaw jestem na jakiej podstawie przyznano ten patent tej firmie.
    System patentów jest chory, wiadomo to nie od dziś. Całe szczeście, że nie wszędzie obowiązuje.

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