Śmieszna dziura w Androidzie

Na blogu ZDNet zaprezentowano bardzo nietypowy błąd jaki zaistniał w Androidzie. Okazuje się, że błąd jest niebezpieczny, bo dziecinnie prosty do wykorzystania.

Wszystko przez przekazywanie każdego naciśnięcia klawisza do powłoki, która z kolei uruchamiana jest na prawach roota. Przez co wszystkie słowa wpisane do aplikacji są interpretowane i wykonywane jako polecenia z prawami roota. Jako przykład możemy wstukać kolejno: <enter>-r-e-b-o-o-t-<enter>, a telefon zostanie zrestartowany.

Błąd ten występuje w telefonach z wersją firmware 1.0 TC4-RC29 oraz wcześnieszymi. Na szczęście błąd jest trywialny dlatego został on bardzo szybko usunięty.

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  1. Awatar WoW
    WoW

    W Fedorze 10 beta cośtam podczas restartowania systemu widziałem swoje hasło na tty1, bo ktoś coś spi… i większość danych wpisywanych z klawiatury na terminale lądowała na tty1 😉

    Ale oczywiście open source jest synonimem bezpieczeństwa 😉

    1. Awatar lorek123
      lorek123

      jest synonimem chociażby dlatego że Ty oczywiście o tym zawiadomisz i ktoś to poprawi :p

      1. Awatar mario
        mario

        To akurat nie jest argument, bo w Close Source też powiadamiasz i twórca to poprawia. Zaletą Open Source jest to, że samemu możesz poprawić lub komuś to zlecić, nie będąc na łasce dostawcy.

        1. Awatar WadosM
          WadosM

          W praktyce to i tak nie ma żadnego znaczenia, bo wątpię aby każdy użytkownik miał wystarczająco dużo czasu i wiedzę na analizowanie kodu dystrybucji/programu w celu znalezienia usterki i jej naprawy. Zlecić taką naprawę też nie zawsze jest komu, poza tym za darmo tego też nie zrobi.
          Oczywiście w tym przypadku była to beta systemu, więc nie można nic nikomu zarzucać, bo po to właśnie została upubliczniona ta wersja systemu aby wyłapywać tego typu błędy. Niestety często się zdarza, że produkt finalny posiada również sporo mniej lub bardziej poważnych lub uciążliwych błędów, pomimo wersji oficjalnie wydanej jako stabilną.

        2. Awatar TBH
          TBH

          Zrobi za darmo. Własnie o to chodzi :>

        3. Awatar bies
          bies

          WadosM: nie chodzi o to że ,,każdy'' potrafi. Chodzi o to że ,,ktoś'' potrafi. W CS liczba ,,ktosi'' jest mniejsza (choć nie różna niż liczba deweloperów).

        4. Awatar trasz
          trasz

          @bies: Z drugiej strony w CS liczba 'ktosi' z odpowiednia motywacja jest taka sama albo wieksza. W sensie, wiecej jest osob, ktorzy z jednej strony znaja dany produkt, a z drugiej maja powod, aby go poprawic, na przyklad pensje.

        5. Awatar bies
          bies

          Wyssane z palca.

        6. Awatar mario
          mario

          @WadosoM: Nie chodzi o to aby było za darmo, tylko o to aby był wolny wybór. W momencie gdy działają prawa wolnorynkowe, rozwój nie jest ograniczony i działa konkurencyjność. Otwarte źródła to zaleta dla klienta, który nie jest przywiązany do jednego dostawcy, dzięki temu obniża się koszta, ale nikt nie mówi o pracy charytatywnej. Powiedz ile kodu w oprogramowaniu OpenSource jest napisane za darmo? Oczywiście w sensownych programach, które da się używać, jest to znikoma ilość – większość to kod napisany za pieniądze i nie widzę w tym nic złego.

          @TBH: skąd taka pewność?

          @trasz: W OpenSource może to być każdy programista, znający technologie w jakich został napisany dany program. Rynek nie ogranicza się tylko do programistów firmy X, która jest dostawcą i ma źródła. Oczywiście nikt nie będzie robił tego za darmo, ale w tym akurat nic złego nie widzę. Ktoś czegoś potrzebuje więc płaci i to dostaje – jest to bardzo naturalne. Niestety oprogramowanie o zamkniętym kodzie ogranicza tę podstawową cechę funkcjonowania rynku.

        7. Awatar ^_^
          ^_^

          Tylko, że w przypadku cs przyjdzie menago i powie, że :"Teraz Panowie mamy inne rzeczy do roboty. A tym się zajmiemy jak będzie na to czas." I tak poprawki wchodzą nawet 2 lata po powiadomieniu producenta softu (ms), albo wcale.

        8. Awatar trasz
          trasz

          @mario: Z jednej strony mamy teorie – ze w Open Source moze to byc kazdy – a z drugiej praktyke, ktora pokazuje, ze programy Open Source sa rownie zabugowane jak te zamkniete. Wnioski wyciagnij sobie sam.

          @^_^: W Open Source zdarza sie to samo, tyle ze zamiast decyzji manago mamy znudzenie kogostam tematem.

        9. Awatar mario
          mario

          @trasz: nie mówię o poziomie zbugowania, ale o możliwościach. W przypadku oprogramowania o zamkniętym kodzie, użytkownik jest zdany na łaskę dostawcy i jeśli dostawcy nie chce się poprawić buga (bo np. mają innych ważniejszych klientów, czyli inne ważniejsze bugi), to taka firma ma wtedy spory problem. W przypadku Open Source zawsze może poszukać sobie kogoś innego. Closed Source zawsze oznacza przywiązanie do jednego dostawcy softwareu, a Open Source pozwala za to na poruszanie się po wolnym rynku, bez ograniczeń.

          OpenSource to : wolny rynek, kapitalizm, konkurencja, rozwój
          Closed Source to: przywiązanie, dyktowanie warunków, monopol, komunizm

        10. Awatar bies
          bies

          Mario: niekoniecznie. Poprawiałem już błędy (dodawałem funkcjonalność) w CS bez źródeł. W przypadku Javy jest to dość proste, w przypadku C/C++ trudniejsze ale da się zrobić. Problem jest taki, że to kosztuje znacznie więcej niż w FOSS.

          Trasz: kolejna wyssana z palca pseudo-statystyka.

        11. Awatar mario
          mario

          @bies: oczywiście, że można, ale taka operacja wymaga niewspółmiernie dużo większego nakładu pracy, wiedzy i czasu, a ponadto deasemblacja, dekompilacja czy modyfikowanie kodu maszynowego może być zabroniona w licencji (często spotykane w CS). W dużej większości licencji CS kupujący nie kupuje samego programu tylko prawo do używania go na ściśle określonych warunkach, sam program nie należy do niego.

    2. Awatar Michał Tomaszewski
      Michał Tomaszewski

      A jaki status ma ta fedora, którą testowałeś?

      1. Awatar niedzwiedz_2
        niedzwiedz_2

        WoW jest chyba po prostu przyzwyczajony do strategii MS gdzie używa się produktów już od wersji Alfa (oznaczonych oficjalnie jako stabilne)

        1. Awatar Moarc
          Moarc

          F10 wychodzi za miesiąc i wszystkie główne cele wydania są już spełnione.


          Ja nie mam takiego problemu, jak WoW.

        2. Awatar abc
          abc

          Więc ten pozostały miesiąc służy do wyśledzenia i poprawienia błędów.

    3. Awatar lorek123
      lorek123

      właśnie o to mi chodziło: ktokolwiek będzie chciał i umiał to poprawi 😉 w zamkniętych rozwiązaniach taką możliwość mają tylko developerzy.

      1. Awatar Jakub Klawiter
        Jakub Klawiter

        IMO podstawowa zaleta OS jeśli mówimy o ewentualnym rozwoju jakiegoś kodu to absolutny brak konieczności wynajdowania koła od nowa. Założenie jest takie, że korzystamy ze wspólnych otwartych bibliotek, jeśli gdzieś jest błąd, czy jest po prostu przestarzała (biblioteka) zamiast produkować n+1 zamiennik można poprawić bibliotekę z pożytkiem dla innych użytkowników.

        To zdrowe jeśli spojrzeć na to z jakiegoś neutralnego punktu widzenia, i jak sądzę zdecydowanie tańsze jeśli patrzeć od strony zastosowań komercyjnych (aka zarobkowych). Kosztem jest tylko otwarcie własnego kodu, co w naprawdę wielu przypadkach nie ma żadnego znaczenia.

  2. Awatar tharkang
    tharkang

    Reboot nie jest chyba jakoś bardzo hardcore'owy… [enter]rm -rf /[enter] miałoby ciekawsze efekty

    1. Awatar Moro
      Moro

      Tam jest system plików tylko do odczytu, można tylko na flashu zapisywać dane użytkownika.

      1. Awatar Wrex
        Wrex

        A nie słyszałeś o czymś takim jak jailbreak?

  3. Awatar marcinsud
    marcinsud

    heh takim czymś się martwią, a przez bluetooth w telefonach takich jak np se, nokia (tylko te testowałem) można skopiować sobie wszystkie wiadomości sms z telefonu ofiary na własny telefon, możemy nawet włączyć jej alarm. Wystarczy, że ofiara doda sobie nasz telefon do zaufanych urządzeń

    1. Awatar lorek123
      lorek123

      w Se można nawet zepsuć telefon 😛

      1. Awatar a nie wiem
        a nie wiem

        Zepsuć? Ja testując te zabawki do bluejacking włączyłem sobie w telefonie alarm. Zabawne, bo nie dało się go z tego telefonu wyłączyć, jedynie z 'atakującego'. Za drugim razem nie dało się go wyłączyć z żadnego, telefon wymagał restartu…

    2. Awatar anonim
      anonim

      Akurat ciężko stwierdzić, czy to koniecznie jest błąd. Po prostu atakujący podszywa się pod program do zarządzania telefonem i poprzez komendy AT może nim sterować.

      Tak samo jak nazwać dziurą bezpieczeństwa fakt, że ktoś, komu dasz prawa roota może zepsuć system.

      1. Awatar ^_^
        ^_^

        Tyle,że w takim przypadku świadomie udostępniasz komuś prawa root'a. A tu sytuacja jest podobna jak z wizgrozą i malware. System jest cały czas "otwarty" i wszystko się dzieje za automatyczną zgodą "użytkownika".

        1. Awatar trasz
          trasz

          W przypadku Windows nie ma automatycznej zgody uzytkownika. Uzytkownik malware musi osobiscie zaaprobowac.

        2. Awatar evil_core
          evil_core

          @trasz: Tak jak w przypadku chociazby Blastera, gdzie wystarczalo wetkna kabel ethernet ?

        3. Awatar trasz
          trasz

          @evil_core: Wystarczylo wetknac wtyczke maszyny bez zainstalowanych dostepnych od paru miesiecy latek. Tak. Z tym, ze identyczne dziury byly tez w Linuksie, wiec to zaden argument.

        4. Awatar Tomasz Woźniak
          Tomasz Woźniak

          @trasz: nie było identycznych dziur.

        5. Awatar trasz
          trasz

          @Tomasz Woźniak: Byly dziury rownie powazne (zdalne wykonywanie kodu w domyslnej instalce), kilka razy. Byly tez wormy pod nie, ale z racji niskiego rozpowszechnienia systemu nie spowodowaly problemu w takiej skali.

        6. Awatar i
          i

          @trash, duużo bardziej z racji rozproszenia

  4. Awatar piday
    piday

    Ale w SE nie wystarczy dodać telefonu do zaufanych urządzeń, trzeba się jeszcze na każdą operację zgodzić.

    1. Awatar amigib
      amigib

      nie do końca, zapyta Cię jeszcze czy w przyszłości ma NIE pytać o zgodę na każdą operację, jeśli potwierdzisz każda następna operacja będzie już wykonywana bez pytania, taki ułatwienie/ficzer a dla niektórych luka w bezpieczeństwie, kłania się stary tekst, że najsłabszym ogniwem jest zawsze użytkownik

      1. Awatar lorek123
        lorek123

        z tego co testowaliśmy na lekcji to wystarczy dodać do zaufanych i zaznaczyć żeby nie pytało juz potem o zgodę na połączenie. i tak oto kolega chodził przez pół dnia z telefonem w języku węgierskim 😛

        1. Awatar 3ED
          3ED

          Magia juserfreiendli w wykonaniu leniwych ludzi. 🙂

        2. Awatar Bananikus
          Bananikus

          To zależy od modelu. np. w k750i i starszych musisz każde polecenie akceptować. W nowszych modelach, takich jak k550i/w610i wystarczy wcisnąć "nie", gdy zapyta się o to, czy w przyszłości ma pytać o zgodę na każdą operację.

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